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GENERAL SURGERY : POSSIBLE FOR IMGs/FMGs ?


Definitely tough - but a residency in general surgery ain't impossible. A friend of mine recently got a residency position at the Methodist Hospital System in Houston on a J1 Visa and I shall be putting up advice from him pretty soon.

G. surgery has become kinda easier for IMGs over the past 2-3 years due to a reduced interest by AMGs. who are rather drawn increasingly to Anesthesiology , Radiology, Orthopedics...which bring in good pays pretty early in the profession.

On other hand, it still remains tougher than IM or FP or Ob-Gyn, and it usually is a 1-year "preliminary" position that is granted initially without any guarantees from the program about a position later - which means match participation is needed again for categorical positions. Most categorical programs need incoming residents to have completed either a preliminary year or externships / sub-internship. A good place for Surgery Aspirants to consider is the Surgery Subinternship program offered at the University of Washington at Seattle. The program offers 4-6 visiting student sub-internship positions to IMGs each year. Click here to know more about the program and apply.

However, ground work is needed - observerships count a lot ! surgical research too counts. Fellowship options after General Surgery ? These include cardiothoracic surgery (one of the highest paid specialties in USA!) , vascular surgery, surgical oncology, plastic surgery, etc.


Here are some places that are known to have offered General Surgery Observerships in the past:

St. Luke's Hospital of Bethlehem (PA)
Thomas Jefferson University
University of Buffalo
University of Iowa
University of Michigan
University of Nebraska Medical Center
University of Pittsburgh
University of Tennessee
University of Vermont
University of Wisconsin
Vanderbilt University


According to this 1998 Paper, International medical graduates account for 10% of the academic surgical faculty in the United States


And this is what Sameer Khalid, MD from Khyber Medical College, Peshawar has to say on my Orkut Residency Community :


"Surgery is not as tough to get in as it was previously - both scores in mid or early 90s would just be sufficient for an average community based prelim position in surgery. But it would be a prelim position.. Having said that, your chances of getting a second year position diretly would be very slim until and unless your are very very brilliant. And I know of people, amazing brains , great lors, getting into prelim and just cannot somehow get a 2nd or a 3rd year seat..
If you are really really dedicated about surgery, then forget about how long it takes.. the best method would be to get a research position in some top notch university like harvard ( i know ppl who have got in there ), get the research on an H1 visa, work for 2 to 3 years, get a green card, and then apply for a catagorical position in surgery, that is how your future would be safe.. and you would eventually become a surgeon..

Prelim , I repeat once again, is very risky, and I know of a lot of people who have been forced to leave it after an year or 2. As for orthopedics, well it is very close to impossible to get in, but then where theres a will...the only IMGs from pakistan I know who have gotten into ortho, have done the same thing.. as i mentioned above i.e. get an ortho research, paid on an H1 visa, work hard for a few years and then apply to Ortho. People from Aga Khan Med school have made it through this way ..and i repeat orthopedic surgery and general surgery are different specialties.. and residencies !! good luck, hope it helps .."

There are points that some would differ on, like getting a second year position once you have a prelim year feather on your hat may not be tougher. A person I know accepted surgery on a J1 visa and had information that J1-waiver jobs are not at all impossible for surgery either. Accept contradicting information on this blog as options - and see the best of what's possible in your circumstances...

g/l


Also read: General Surgery Salaries in USA



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Comments on "GENERAL SURGERY : POSSIBLE FOR IMGs/FMGs ?"

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (July 23, 2006 10:49 PM) : 

Hi

I am an IMG.2002 grad. completed Obgyn training in 2005. Want to retrain in gen surg. i m doing observership under a plastic surgeon at present and hope to get an LOR. scores are 99/98/cs passed/step 3 taken. how do i apply to maximize my chances? is there a chance i will get categorical position at a uni based hospital?

 

Anonymous Robert said ... (April 13, 2007 9:22 AM) : 

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I thought that GEN SURG was getting tougher for IMGs/FMGs ever since the 80hr law. You seem to think the opposite.

Thanx
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Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (April 13, 2007 11:50 AM) : 

If you looked at the Unfilled positions in surgery and prelim surgery - US seniors filling the seats have been on the decline - 78% in 2007 versus 85% in 2004. And I am hearing more stories about IMGs getting in. Trends keep changing cyclically though..

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (April 29, 2007 9:14 PM) : 

I am an IMG, who was lucky enough to get a preliminary position in a small community hospital. I eventually landed in a university hospital. I was just lucky, think. I have now finished and passed the boards and now inpractice. It was a tough climb, but i think if you persist enough, you'll get. A lot of luck and being in the right place on the right time, certainly helps.

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (April 29, 2007 9:53 PM) : 

congrats dude - and if you would like to contribute more about tips for G. surgery for readers, you are welcome to write to : digitaldoc2002@gmail.com

 

Blogger karuna said ... (June 28, 2007 11:48 AM) : 

hello sir...
i am still in med school..cud u thrro sum light on how 2 attain researchwork?whn n whre?is it possible during yrs@med skul..i am in 3rd yr..
also,is it wise 2 defer internship and opt 4 an elective?

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (June 28, 2007 11:52 AM) : 

Hi karuna,

A medical-school Elective in US would be a good option for a fresh IMG graduate as yourself. In many cases, IMGs medical school itself will accept upto 3 months of internship rotations done abroad as a part of your internship (9 months of their own rotations + 3 months or less of abroad") speak before hand to your internship supervisor and see what can be done. Elective opportunities and application tips have been listed on my USCE - Electives, Observerships & Externships for IMGs Blog

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (September 22, 2007 1:14 PM) : 

Hi. Digitaldoc
I am an IMG from India and am planning to apply for a Gen Surgery program for the 2009 match. I have cleared Step 1 and Step 2 CK in the first attempt, but with low scores, 87(214) and 83(203) respectively. I still have to give the CS exam. I plan do an externship for atleast 6mts(thru an agency) and then want to do an observership in Gen surgery (if i can get my hands on one).
Do u think i have a chance of landing a position anywhere or should i forget it and try for IM?

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (September 22, 2007 1:17 PM) : 

A dedicated resume will certainly help your G. surg aspirations - with scores on the lower side, US clinical experience, strong US lors have helped people. Try your best to also get a publication or two in the US before you apply next year. Remember to not forgo any PG possibilities in surgery in your home country, since direct fellowship options do open out after completing Post Graduate surgery residencies in home countries too.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (September 23, 2007 2:11 AM) : 

Hi Digitaldoc!
Thanks for the advice. Thats just what i wanted to hear that with USCE and LORS i still do have a chance.
I do have the option of doing general surgery in India, but i will have to buy the seat. I thought I may as well give US a shot and buy the seat next year, if I don't match. Also, I don't live in India and an American degree will be more valuable in my home town.
One last question....what are publications and how do i do them?

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (September 23, 2007 11:26 AM) : 

Publications implies articles , book chapters, poster presentations - which will be borne out of research work with some university / med-school / research institute faculty.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (November 08, 2007 5:43 PM) : 

having gone htrough your articel it seems i have probably have not been doing the rightthings cuz after having gotten score in excess of 260 on both steps and a couple of months elective and still being a student not doing great in terms of interview this match season ... and yeah i have applied to community programs too?

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (November 13, 2007 11:54 AM) : 

How many programs did you apply to ? Was it a targeted approach ?

 

Blogger angela said ... (January 31, 2008 11:13 AM) : 

hi this discussion is indeed what i need,,
i am a female immigrant doc,,,,,,,, i am currently a vlunteer researcher in the dept of endocrinlogy in medicine ,,, we are working on osteobalsts, osteoclasts,, but no publications yet,,,, i have 90 in both step 1 and 2 and currently preparing for cs i wonder if this research experience will help me in getting gen surgery,,,,,,,,,, assuming i dont get a publication soon ,,,,,,,,,, or is it too off what do u think

 

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